Soleil Royal by Heller - an Extensive Modification and Partial Scratch-Build by Hubac’s Historian

Marc,
I assume these pieces are hard soldered, right? Did you try it with less paste? With this much it looks like soft soldering and the surplus paste has to be removed anyhow. Sorry, did not want to be critical (you have been doing a great job), just my 2 cents...
János
Hello Janos,

I'm sorry for the late reply. I don't even receive updates on my own build, let alone anyone else's. I continue to be pre-occupied with life.

Yes, I have been using the solder paste, which I find much easier to deal with than regular solder. You are right that there was significant cleanup on my deadeye strops. I have taken to applying minute solder amounts with the tip of a #11 blade, so as to better control the application. This has been working well for me on the preventer plate links.

No real progress to show, though.
 
That may very well be the case, Chris, but from a practical standpoint, it would seem to be counter-productive as the iron would quickly degrade in a marine environment, and the entry of the iron into the ship timbers would not be adequately sealed without a paint topcoat.
Some of the early smelting methods produced iron of quite high purity which is actually remarkably corrosion resistant. When using similar fastenings on medieval wooden bridges in the UK the holes were doped with tallow and the iron fastenings driven in hot. The molten wax sealed the end grain of the wood fibres and also prevented corrosion of the hidden part of the metal fixings. Some of these fastenings - and the wood they were driven - into were retrieved intact from the Thames in London a few years ago, after 800 years buried in the salty mud of a tidal estuary. There is a saying 'old iron never rusts' which may be appropriate.
 
That is interesting insight, Alan, and I don’t doubt it. It is known, however, that the French thoroughly painted the so-called deadworks of their ships; this would be everything above the waterline.

The portrait of the Monarque that Chris is writing about is unusually detailed, although not so unusual for Puget. Some, particularly those who support the notion that these Vienna portraits represent the Royal Louis, suggest that the relatively bright appearance of the hull may indicate the white paint that the RL was originally cloaked in. Perhaps the Monarque, constructed at the Toulon arsenal at the same time as the RL, was also painted all white. A detailed written description of the outward appearance only exists for the RL, though, in the form if the Hyatt monograph.

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My theory about the appearance of the drawings above is that the apparent brightness of the ship merely indicates the underlying color of the drawing surface, or medium.

This is consistent with other Puget drawings:

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My theory about the appearance of the drawings above is that the apparent brightness of the ship merely indicates the underlying color of the drawing surface, or medium.
I think you are probably right about that, the only reason to doubt it is that while lead and boiled linseed oil were easy to make early paints, and provided some limited protection against shipworm. But in the absence of any surviving fragments of the true cross, we cannot really be sure.;)
 
I can’t escape the fact that I continue to fail at this chain-making exercise. As the old maxim goes, though, every failure is one step closer to success.

I’ve now thrown away two whole batches of chain preventer plates. While I was quite right to follow Andre Kudin’s example, for the process of their manufacture, I eventually discovered that that process is not entirely transferable from 1:48 to 1:96 scale.

After forming his basic links, Andre solders them closed at one end, and then places the closed link back onto the two pins so that he can crimp an eye on each end with his round pliers.

Well, the 28 gauge brass wire I’m using does not provide enough surface area for a strong enough bond to survive the crimping. My success to failure ratio was pretty poor:

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So, my lesson from that exercise was that I needed to do the crimping before soldering one end closed:

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These soldered loops will be the lowest end of the chains, bolted into the wales. That way, I could induce a series of bends into the upper half of each preventer plate, so that they could overlay the next small link:

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Above I’m just using another preventer plate to check that the bends I’m making are sufficient.

So, I spent a good chunk of time cleaning up the solder and inducing bends into the remainder of the preventer plates. The solder joint will be re-enforced with the CA glue that fixes the pin-bolt in place:

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With that out of the way, I could make a new, slightly closer-spaced pin jig for the next small link, which is only crimped on one end, where it seats beneath the preventer plate.

Now that I have a process that I know will work, and now that I’ve had all of this practice, these next links should go fairly quickly:

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I have a lot of these to make, solder and bend - about 70 to ensure I can use the best. This has all been a colossal PITA, but it was really important to me that all of this look very clean and uniformly shaped. In the process, I have acquired some very valuable metal skills that will only enhance this and future projects.

That said, I am going to experiment with using black nylon thread of an appropriate diameter to connect the deadeye strop loops to the small links. This would essentially be a variation on the way that the stock kit represents these links, but I will do individual chain loops that draw tight with some form of slip-knot that I can pull up and hide behind the deadeye strop.

Andre had a great method for producing these variances, but it is all just that much more tedious in the smaller scale.

The advantages of doing this are several. So long as there is not a jarring difference in appearance between the black thread and the blackened metal, it will save me tremendous amounts of time. It also simplifies the difficulty of accurately measuring and keeping track of a series of increasingly longer links as the shroud angle increases from fore to aft. Lastly, it greatly simplifies the placement of the deadeyes because I can add the retaining strip, in advance, and it also makes it much easier to locate and properly secure the bottom two links. Hopefully, that will work out.

Well, I keep saying that I’m going to get back in the swing of the project, and then I get sucked into coaching another basketball team - now my son’s Spring rec team. Meanwhile, the Rangers and Knicks are just too compelling to ignore this post-season. At least for now, I can see the end of the tunnel for these chains, which is tremendously motivating, and then I can return to the more immediately gratifying work of outfitting and arming the main deck.

Thank you all for taking the time to look back in on This Old Build. More to come!
 
I can’t escape the fact that I continue to fail at this chain-making exercise. As the old maxim goes, though, every failure is one step closer to success.

I’ve now thrown away two whole batches of chain preventer plates. While I was quite right to follow Andre Kudin’s example, for the process of their manufacture, I eventually discovered that that process is not entirely transferable from 1:48 to 1:96 scale.

After forming his basic links, Andre solders them closed at one end, and then places the closed link back onto the two pins so that he can crimp an eye on each end with his round pliers.

Well, the 28 gauge brass wire I’m using does not provide enough surface area for a strong enough bond to survive the crimping. My success to failure ratio was pretty poor:

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So, my lesson from that exercise was that I needed to do the crimping before soldering one end closed:

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These soldered loops will be the lowest end of the chains, bolted into the wales. That way, I could induce a series of bends into the upper half of each preventer plate, so that they could overlay the next small link:

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Above I’m just using another preventer plate to check that the bends I’m making are sufficient.

So, I spent a good chunk of time cleaning up the solder and inducing bends into the remainder of the preventer plates. The solder joint will be re-enforced with the CA glue that fixes the pin-bolt in place:

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With that out of the way, I could make a new, slightly closer-spaced pin jig for the next small link, which is only crimped on one end, where it seats beneath the preventer plate.

Now that I have a process that I know will work, and now that I’ve had all of this practice, these next links should go fairly quickly:

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I have a lot of these to make, solder and bend - about 70 to ensure I can use the best. This has all been a colossal PITA, but it was really important to me that all of this look very clean and uniformly shaped. In the process, I have acquired some very valuable metal skills that will only enhance this and future projects.

That said, I am going to experiment with using black nylon thread of an appropriate diameter to connect the deadeye strop loops to the small links. This would essentially be a variation on the way that the stock kit represents these links, but I will do individual chain loops that draw tight with some form of slip-knot that I can pull up and hide behind the deadeye strop.

Andre had a great method for producing these variances, but it is all just that much more tedious in the smaller scale.

The advantages of doing this are several. So long as there is not a jarring difference in appearance between the black thread and the blackened metal, it will save me tremendous amounts of time. It also simplifies the difficulty of accurately measuring and keeping track of a series of increasingly longer links as the shroud angle increases from fore to aft. Lastly, it greatly simplifies the placement of the deadeyes because I can add the retaining strip, in advance, and it also makes it much easier to locate and properly secure the bottom two links. Hopefully, that will work out.

Well, I keep saying that I’m going to get back in the swing of the project, and then I get sucked into coaching another basketball team - now my son’s Spring rec team. Meanwhile, the Rangers and Knicks are just too compelling to ignore this post-season. At least for now, I can see the end of the tunnel for these chains, which is tremendously motivating, and then I can return to the more immediately gratifying work of outfitting and arming the main deck.

Thank you all for taking the time to look back in on This Old Build. More to come!
WHO SAID you have to put the seam at the top of one of the loops? Getting the loop at that location to be circular is VERY difficult, and filing away excess metal to open the hole in the loop to accept the pin and removing any blobs there is quite tedious. The eye joint is at the location of greatest stress while you bend the link to it's final shape, and the joint will often break.

Form the loops by wrapping the wire around a drill bit at each end (make a jig) and locate the seam in the centerpoint of one of the straight sections. When filled with solder, the entire link can be made to look like a flat plate between the loops, and not two rods of metal. The solder joins the straight wire sections and the ends of the wire at the seam. Soldering at the loop only adheres the ends of the wire at the loop, and often fills the hole, which is annoying to drill the solder out of. Getting the ends of the straight sections to line up at the seam is straightforward using two sets of small, smooth jawed needle nosed pliers (jewelers pliers).

Work and squeeze the wire using the pliers at the straight section to get the wire to lay perpendicular, with full contact along its length and no gaps. The loops will both have the same size and shape, and it is easier to remove excess solder at the straight section of the piece. Try making a couple this way and see if it's easier. Brass wire and solder are cheap. After soldering, then you can bend the entire piece to create the slope from one eye to the next, so it overlaps the other chainplate piece properly and also lays flat in the hull to accept the pin.
 
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Honestly, Kurt, nobody told me I had to do it this way. My experience, though, has shown me that this is an effective method to get the clean appearance that I am after.

What you are proposing is absolutely, technically correct. This was actually what I did on my first attempt of these preventer plate links. There were a couple of problems though. Firstly, I miscalculated the scale and made the links far too long. Second, I could have been more liberal in my application of the tube solder, on the back side of each link. Had I done so, I may not have had as many join failures.

My chief complaint with doing it this way was that I found it quite difficult, at the time, to neatly snip the wire ends, mid-link, for a neat join; I was either too long, which resulted in a bulged middle, or too short, which resulted in an excess of solder. As it usually goes with this sort of thing, I have now become quite adept at gauging where to snip, and I could probably do this much more efficiently now.

In fact, at our club meeting this past week, my friend suggested that he cuts these ends on a long bias, so that they overlap like a scarf join. Again, the larger the scale you are working in, the easier it is to gauge the cuts.

You have to remember that the scale is small. These links are about the smallest things that I can still manipulate with my fingers. I watch a lot of people make chains, in small scales, using the technically correct method and their results are often highly variable.

That was the appeal of Andre's method. When you are bending individual short lengths of wire around your pin formers, you are going to get much more taught bends than you will if you wrap a long length of wire around a former of the desired width. Again, I had been down this road and found it difficult to straighten the long parts of the link, after separating the links.

Lastly, I have not found it to be much work to clean up the solder around the eye. A few swipes on each broad surface, with an emory board will level the solder there, and then I just use an appropriate micro drill bit in a pin vise as a file to open the eye again. Just a few strokes and it's done.

I'm not concerned about the strength of this eye-join because it has held up to my hand manipulation, for one, and it will be re-enforced with CA, when I bolt these parts to the wales. Some builders at this scale eschew solder, altogether, and close their links with CA alone.

At the end of the day, this is a process that is working for me and producing a result that I am very happy with. Eventually, when I build in a larger scale (probably precipitating a divorce from my currently loving wife), I might switch to what is more technically correct.

In this scale, though, I think that clean and uniform work is more important than rigorous accuracy.
 
Marc,

I have been extremely impressed with the tremendous attention to detail and the patience involved in creating this frieze! You have done that of which I simply have no patience.

Bill
 
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Thank you very much, Bill! And thank you for watching the build on both boards for so very long. I really appreciate it!

As for the frieze - I make no claims to its historic authenticity, but I will say that I have never regretted one second of its creation. Whether it conveys historic accuracy or not, it presents a coherent idea. That was what I was going for. I am very happy that this still interests you!

Best,
Marc
 
Thank you very much, Bill! And thank you for watching the build on both boards for so very long. I really appreciate it!

As for the frieze - I make no claims to its historic authenticity, but I will say that I have never regretted one second of its creation. Whether it conveys historic accuracy or not, it presents a coherent idea. That was what I was going for. I am very happy that this still interests you!

Best,
Marc
My friend,

It interests me very much! It is your interpretation of what the ship may have looked like, However, your frieze is very accurate according to Berain, at least for the first ship.

Bill
 
This business of learning to make the chains continued to confound me as I discovered yet another mistake in my process.

For anyone who may also be new to this aspect of the hobby - BEWARE: jewelry wire (brass/copper) is coated with an anti-oxidation layer. Brass black will not take without first stripping the coating (acetone bath, 99% purity - available at the pharmacy), and then roughing the wire surface with ScotchBrite. I failed to do either of these things. For your own sake, just buy untreated, soft copper wire.

My first dipping in JAX brass black almost didn’t take at all. Whatever oxidation there was, was very spotty and wiped away easily. After thoroughly rinsing the parts in acetone, my second JAX bath did much more to blacken the parts, but the depth of oxidation was highly irregular, there were still lots of completely bright brass patches, throughout, and the oxidation that was present still rubbed off too easily.

What to do, now? I quickly decided that I absolutely was not going to re-make all of these fittings, as I had at least bent them into nicely uniform parts. The only reasonable solution, IMO, was to spray-prime the lot black:


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After inserting the deadeyes, and any necessary touch-up, the deadeye strops looked like this:

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Quite satisfactory, I think. On the inside, bottom edge of each deadeye, I placed a drop of CA, in order to fix the orientation of the deadeye.

I needed to make a run of split-rings, both for the gun out-haul tackles, and for between where the chains attach to the middle wales.

For these, I really like how tight a twist I get with galvanized steel wire. Given that I was going to paint these, as well, it didn’t seem quite so important what the material was, but how it behaved.

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I found it quite easy to close the eyes with my parallel pliers, a decent set of which are essential for this work (Thanks Druxey!), and I sealed the rings with a spot of common, brush-able CRAZY GLUE.

The eyes on deck:

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In preparation for the deadeyes, I made ready the channels. Because I found it necessary to shift a handful of deadeyes, so that the chains do not interfere with the gunport lids, I found it necessary to widen a number of the channel slots. I then drilled for short sections of .030 styrene rod, so that I could favor one side of the slot:

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Next I made capping strips for the outside edges of the channels, and simulated the nailing with shallow slices of triangular styrene rod. I used the same “heat flashing” technique to dome over the heads:

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With my masts in-place and a guide-string, I penciled-in the preventer plate locations.

The important thing, I think, was that the join of the preventer plates and the small loop-links be in a consistent plane, along the upper middle wale - just slightly higher than mid-wale.

Following a tip from fellow SR enthusiast Eric Wiberg, I purchased the following dome-headed rivets:

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My idea was to use these with plastic cement to secure the preventer and loop links.

After drilling the top preventer plate/loop-link hole, I secure the position of the preventer plate with a common sewing pin in the top hole, and then swing a short mechanical pencil arc for the bottom hole location.

There are very slight differences between preventer plate links, so you do have to drill specific links for a given location. It is very fiddly to fix the plates with these tiny styrene pins, but it can be managed from the bottom up with plenty of patience and a sewing pin to guide mating eyes into alignment.

Now, my hope for some time and results redemption depended upon whether or not I could make appropriate diameter thread look like the long connecting links.

Among my stash, was some really nice line that Dan Pariser very generously donated to my cause. Although light in color, I found I could “paint” lengths of line with two passes of a black sharpie, which also gave the line some stiffness when dry. I found that a single bow-knot gave me the ability to introduce tension to these links:

Obviously, it is important to ensure that the loop links and deadeye strops are in the correct orientation to each other.

The proof of concept on this first link gave me sufficient confidence that this idea will produce a nice result. It is only important that one wait to stiffen the knot with CA until after you have pulled the knot up close behind the deadeye strop loop. On this first one, I glued before doing so, and the knot is less perfectly concealed than the others will be:

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This picture above was before pulling the knot up. Eventually, when the lower deadeyes are lashed to their corresponding upper deadeyes, these chain links will pull fully taught with just the slightest tension.

Here is where things stand as of now:

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I quickly learned it is wise to cover the gun ports, so that you are not continually losing links into the hull. After pinning the links in place, I brushed over the link assembly with thin CA, to give it a little extra holding power. I then left it to dry overnight.

Next, I will draw all remaining loops taught, and then the whole of it will receive a thinned acrylic black wash to homogenize the assembly and touch-up any bright spots.

There are, of course, many better ways to go about all of this. For me, for now - I’ll take this all as a learning experience and move-on with it.

Thank you all for looking-in!

Best,

Marc

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Honestly, Paul, I’m a little surprised, as well, but I super heated them and what I mistook for extra flux in the paste solder was probably just that coating burning off.

So, I had a small pocket of time to snug and snip the fore, port channel. I was able to finesse that first knot up a little higher. Really - and considering that they do tighten up just enough more under slight tension - I am very pleased with this experiment. Black touch-up paint to follow:

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I am at least confident that these long links would not look better as wire. I may have over-calculated the angle of the two furthest aft preventer plates, but I was just following what the test line told me to do. Also, technically, the preventer plate links should span to the lower wale, but the first batch I made just looked over-long. I can live with this compromise. It is still a vast improvement over the stock kit. The important thing is that the chains no longer interfere with the port lids.

There are three backstay deadeyes that I have yet to prepare, but I will get to them in the next few rounds of deadeye prep.
 
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